Post by willydigger. FB inFamous on May 18, 2014 8:00:02 GMT -8
Disclaimer: I'm a chronic master beader and while I'm not biased in anyway, people of low intelligence will claim otherwise. Fuck them. I also call people names. It's doesn't make me less smart.
Joined the UG a few months ago. A fella there was pimping some goods. Familiar goods. At first it started with a Spartan then a revolver bead. Didn't think much of it until the *doodoolickers* called him out. Said he was a POS for taking peoples designs. Then mouth-breathers would jump in and blah blah blah about how no one "owned" the design and it was cool if he wanted to take popular designs. I can't find the thread on UG. Not long after SA was banned from UG.
At the same time this dude was on my facebook page--> okay beads I guess
I'll paraphrase, "how much is this bead and that bead?"
I ran down the prices on several beads and that was that.
Then recently Jack beads started popping up. A great example of not "owning" something and it be copied.
Then I notice little knuckle keychain do-dads. Something else not "owned" but copied.
Here is my beef. He can do what he wants and people can buy his shit. I can't say that he has stolen an original designs (not yet anyway or at least not anything of mine), but he watches the bead community and sees what other makers create and sees if they are popular. If he can take the design he will.
I don't claim to own the Jack design, just like D22 can't really claim a revolver cylinder, or knuckle key chain baubles, but in a small community of EDC enthusiasts, I find it in poor tastes to sneak and scheme. That is my problem. The effort in pretending to be a customer in order to gauge pricing and to watch to see which designs are popular. There is a shady aspect of his business model that makes me wonder if any of his ideas are original.
I do hear he's really nice though. That counts for something.
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Willy, I hear you load and clear. There seems to be more and more sneaky mofo's in the EDC world nowadays. Not going to call the many bitches out...but... There's been a few dudes jump in and try to sell beads that look like mine lately. It's like they want to take a piece of your cake and pee in the Kool-Aid, then leave the party.
Zero fucks given to their health and welfare. A brick to da head is all I got for them.
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I'm making a nice line of beads I call "Badmen" or "Crooks".. I think they might sell well!
BTW, copy somebodies stuff for yourself if you want, but dont sell the fuckers, that's not nice. The originality of the design is 80% of the work IMHO. Any idiot can cut acrylic. ( well, I can't, but then I'm not an idiot).
The dude knows what he's doing, and he knows it's shady. It's different for a small business vs a large company who has a bunch of people doing their marketing and coming up with the ideas.
For the small business, it's one or only a few person's livelihood. He's screwin you from a decently-sized portion just by people seeing the copied designs, and losing some uniqueness just because some a-hole decided that getting into a unique business required copying everyone else to get a free ride.
(About Q's package) Willydigger:
"Is it mailed? Did you mail it? Where's the tracking? I'm pretty excited. I hope he cries. Think he'll cry? What a bitch."
"Q is an asshole, but he's so dumb I feel like hugging him all the time."
-Willydonker
"I'm waiting for Digiorno to cook. Three meat, stuffed crust. It's not delivery, but no place delivers here. So. "
And Willy, while people are right you may not own the characters you create into beads, those beads are your designs. You'll never see another one of your beads in the materials you use with the attention to detail, made before yours.
The frogs and coins and several of your beads are in fact your designs, and the dimensions you put them in are unique- as well as the positioning and color choices.
It's more excusable for someone to copy my chainmail pieces, as I'm sure I'm not the first person to do them. In keychain sized pieces, maybe- the bracelets- probably more likely they're unique (as far as color combos), but more than likely someone has done something very similar, and as far as the weaves, everyone and their mom has done it.
With carving, you gotta take the time to carve that shit out from SCRATCH. From beginning to end that's your hand creating the magic.
(About Q's package) Willydigger:
"Is it mailed? Did you mail it? Where's the tracking? I'm pretty excited. I hope he cries. Think he'll cry? What a bitch."
"Q is an asshole, but he's so dumb I feel like hugging him all the time."
-Willydonker
"I'm waiting for Digiorno to cook. Three meat, stuffed crust. It's not delivery, but no place delivers here. So. "
Actually. I think I should have a chat with a few acquaintances I used to know and pay him a visit. I'm sure its difficult to carve beads with broken fingers. Shame he's not in the UK. You'll have to start calling your stuff "The Original Willydigger/Villian (he he)/Froggie/whatever", accept no copies!
And Willy, while people are right you may not own the characters you create into beads, those beads are your designs. You'll never see another one of your beads in the materials you use with the attention to detail, made before yours.
The frogs and coins and several of your beads are in fact your designs, and the dimensions you put them in are unique- as well as the positioning and color choices.
It's more excusable for someone to copy my chainmail pieces, as I'm sure I'm not the first person to do them. In keychain sized pieces, maybe- the bracelets- probably more likely they're unique (as far as color combos), but more than likely someone has done something very similar, and as far as the weaves, everyone and their mom has done it.
With carving, you gotta take the time to carve that shit out from SCRATCH. From beginning to end that's your hand creating the magic.
You're such a sweetie pie.
That Smurfing Forum is no bueno and HI SPONGBOB. - Kilroy Psychosis is refreshing like a cool glass o' lemonade. - T. YOU HAVE MY AXE, WILLARD DIGGERD OF WESTEROS, FIRST SON OF THE FROG KING - Q Where is the satisfaction in watching other people accomplish things? - Short Make woopy, make waffles make like the wind. - Roy
Post by Killroy ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ on May 18, 2014 18:39:05 GMT -8
Can we change this thread title to "Whos a giant cock bag." Or "who "Blatantly steals ideas." Because Mikey Likey definitely needs to go on that list..
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Post by willydigger. FB inFamous on May 18, 2014 18:51:47 GMT -8
Start a thread Roy! Cause he is a fucking *willy'sladypart*.
That Smurfing Forum is no bueno and HI SPONGBOB. - Kilroy Psychosis is refreshing like a cool glass o' lemonade. - T. YOU HAVE MY AXE, WILLARD DIGGERD OF WESTEROS, FIRST SON OF THE FROG KING - Q Where is the satisfaction in watching other people accomplish things? - Short Make woopy, make waffles make like the wind. - Roy